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Nobody is getting tricked, a necessary condition for a scam. Therefore there is no scam. When they discover that what they bought is an NFT, some people are so mad that they blame everyone else for right-clicking. Steve0 7 days ago root parent next [—]. Isn't this comparable to the guy in the Ferrari being mad at other drivers because he's in the same traffic jam as the rest or us? I get where he's coming from, but that doesn't make it reasonable.

And certainly not a scam by Ferrari. I struggle with that comparison, but it sounds like the sports car guy feels that his conspicuous wealth should elevate him above the rules meant for everyone else. An NFT really could represent season tickets for some assigned seats in a sports arena, or unfortunately the order on a list of organ transplant recipients.

And the most-confident adherents are definitely speculating on riding the wave. The way NFTs are being traded currently is a global game of musical chairs. You are basically paying for your name to be attached to a specific asset address on a distributed ledger.

However, i do see some use cases. Imagine a decentralized NFT ledger where e. That would create a neat marketplace for intellectual property. BTCOG 7 days ago parent prev next [—]. Bitcoin is a real, hard money that you will clearly see take over as a reserve over the next decade, and it's secure. It solved problems. Everything else, especially including Ethereum are nothing more than psuedo-intellectual scams.

Ethereum has already changed their monetary consensus six times within five years. Play fiat games, and win fiat prizes. You know you're only commenting this to get a rise, though.

I just printed out that image and stuck it on my wall.. TekMol 7 days ago parent prev next [—]. Are you married? Say a new technology comes up that lets me clone your wife. Down to the last atom. Would you then be ok with your wife being destroyed and replaced by the copy? If you are not ok with that - aren't you just as irrational as the people who buy NFTs?

I don't see how this particular irrationality is comparable to the irrationality surrounding NFTs. To tweak the analogy to NFTs a bit better. Let's say that the fact of the marriage is recorded in a registry, and that the registry is trusted as canonical by the larger entity which people trust, like, the government.

Now let's say that the registry is copied word to word, certified to be legal, and then the original destroyed. Surely that doesn't affect the marriage itself, the deep personal bond between the two people? That's an absurd hypothetical. A human being isn't an object TekMol 7 days ago root parent next [—]. An NFT is also not an object. Regarding consciousness - do you think consciousness is not made of atoms?

What is it made of? Like video subscriptions everyone is selling a platform to own memory addresses abstracted into a domain, and NFT. Our internet is a multiverse of the same old electron states printing differently depending on preferences I think humanity is starting to realize again the mainstream ephemeral value store dollars is not the only one. The network that generates these experiences is. Who cares how much we spend money is just an emotional abstract so long as the network lives?

Long live the network reply. Ironically, this is great for NFT artists: most artists distributing their work as signed tokens want the high resolution media to be more widely distributed across many points of failure that's exactly why IPFS is typically chosen.

So far most comments here fail to understand that the economic value of an NFT, unlike traditional art through most of recent history, is not tied to scarcity of access to its media. I like that this exists. Seems to me that a non-fungible token that represents a receipt for a piece of art needs a different name entirely.

It won't get one, but it's just one idea based on them that took off like wildfire. An NFT is just a token on a blockchain that you can't own a fractional part of. You might desire the state of that token in a card game, or a pokemon variant that's on-chain. If what it represents is something off-chain, it's still an NFT -- just only useful because scarcity is a hell of a drug to humans apparently. I love how the. NFO file is presented as an image, yet deliberately uses the wrong charset for its box drawing characters.

Nice touch. Thanks : reply. Somehow I'd missed that one. Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years Am glad this is happening. A handful of people actually know what are NFTs. Those with half knowledge are curious about their insane transactions. Those who are dumb or greedy or both, think NFTs are the next best thing. Events like this will even out the playing field, as the dumb ones will fear that their investments might wnd up on the torrent interwebs. Nobody in the nft space cares about this.

Isn't funny how the same generation that almost bankrupted the entertainment industry with piracy their words, not mine is now crying and stomping their feet because of exactly the same copy-paste 'piracy'. It doesn't go both ways, scarcity simply doesn't exist with digital goods, nor does ownership.

We proved two decades ago that average people don't care about copyright, why would anybody be so naive to think adding a blockchain would change anything? Because now the apparatus of digital rights enforcement can be exercised by independent creators, without the need for leviathan media companies with hordes of lawyers. It enables simple and easy self-publishing for artists.

I think misunderstanding of NFTs is caused by one or all of: a persons generation, a persons hatred of crypto, a persons lack of openness to change. I am comfortable with the idea of digital goods.

Imagine if you buy some NFT art, and the metaverse becomes popular. If you think this is dorky and no one will bother, think about the resistance then explosion of social media in the mid s.

Either environmental reasons, social pressure from news and friends , fear of missing out, resentment at having missed out etc. Even the thought that there could be underlying value to crypto currency was indeed a radical notion. Now it is mostly accepted in my experience. Banks and traditional finance are still entrenched in our society. There are a huge set of people that have interests which oppose crypto.

It is just something to keep in mind when making decisions. I hope my perspective helps some people. Then again, it's also possible that people who dislike NFTs don't misunderstand or hate them, they understand them perfectly and hate them anyway. And maybe you misunderstand them as well. NFT is just a technology. It's entirely possible to understand the technology and still hate it, e.

I understand what nuclear weapons can do, yet I still hate them to some extent and would prefer they didn't exist. Not saying this is correct, just saying that you don't seem to leave open that possibility in your post. For the record, I don't really get NFTs. But then I probably fall into some of your boxes above : I'm 36, I think blockchain is mostly overhyped though I do think cryptocurrencies specifically are interesting.

I do think I'm open to change but who knows? I don't think the point you made in the generational section of your comment is entirely valid. I do get digital goods, I myself have owned furni on Habbo. However, in that case you buy a digital good and can display it in your room Habbo or on your character TF2 , and Sulake and Valve make sure only people who paid for the item can show off with it.

It's like everyone being able to show off a hat in TF2, but the people having paid only have the advantage they can boast in chat about the fact they paid for something available to everyone. You are right for the moment. I think if the metaverse is popular then displaying NFTs will become more meaningful. You will be able to show them in a home or on your avatar rather than just as a profile picture.

Is there some sort of uniqueness constraint on the URLs or is it just taken on faith that nobody would ever do that? There's no such constraint, it would be futile even if there was, you can just copy the image to a different web server and get a different URL. T0Bi 5 days ago root parent next [—]. Decentralization yay.

What are the most popular CDNs used for this crap? What is stopping you from selling a movie you've just downloaded? The movie industry is a scam!

Nobody is trying to tell me that buying a movie is an investment vehicle, though. A movie requires as input substantial fulfilling meaningful work and produces as output something that people find meaningful. Rendering the output file artificially scarce may itself be bullshit but doing otherwise does leave us with the challenge of how to pay for that work.

The price set for enjoyment of that file is set to a value that the majority of people can afford even if they have to wait for it to say hit red box. For some value of sense the movie industry makes some sense. An NFT like a physical baseball card has zero actual utility save for the covetous feeling of ownership itself a mental disease now unmoored from physicality and actuality. It is an opportunity for us to view side by side people who cannot live indoors and in some places get enough to eat with people pouring more money than many people will ever see into abstract unrealized never to be satiated covetous greed that will only pay a return if they can thereafter pawn it off on someone even more foolish in the future.

Prices aren't obvious. Movies are a good example of this. The first movies on videocassette weren't exactly new releases. But from the studios' perspective, that was a fair price to own a movie versus the lower price to rent a seat in a theater to watch it. The price Fox set for these first releases became the standard for the industry. Copyright law. Which would be better than all streaming platforms today who don't even let you download what you have bought reply.

The timestamp and signature would disprove your claim, and evidence of your fraud would perpetually exist on the blockchain if someone wanted to hold you accountable. Sure, if I was foolish enough to do things with a key that could easily linked back to my real identity, and if the buyer was careful enough to check if my reprinted NFT was the "real" one.

Would it be accurate to say that, from another perspective, the counterfeit NFTs I issued would stay on the blockchain in perpetuity, with no on-chain indications aside, of course, from timestamp and key of their fraudulent nature, and that they could be resold over and over to defraud additional careless buyers?

What I'm particularly interested in here is stuff that proposes to use NFTs as avatars or something similar - if I go mint my own counterfeit ape and make it my avatar, are those apps going to happily display that I have "verified ownership" of it? Is there any recourse there aside from every app locking down to an explicitly allowed list of keys from "verified NFT producers," or every app playing whack-a-mole with the keys of known bad actors, or establishing some sort of off-chain database of content hashes and the keys that are supposed to own them?

Yeah this is the thing. You prove ownership with the blockchain. The blockchain tells you that you "own" whatever was at the URL at the point of time that it was written onto the chain.

There is no continuing or on-going guarantee that the content at the URL won't change after that. If there is no content hash in the receipt and the original URL is now defunct, how do you prove authenticity? It also allows for revisions linked to the original content identifier. Is it correct that things can disappear from IPFS, if nobody is continuing to bother to pin the content? It seems like you could get an immutable URL this way, but that there's still no guarantee that the URL will remain accessible.

Yes, that is correct. The IPFS nodes with the relevant content may go offline, people who are pinning the content may just decide to not pin it anymore for whatever reason and then eventually the content would just disappear from people's caches. You can tell who minted it. Is it the usual case that people purchasing NFTs or marketplaces selling them undertake that kind of due diligence before completing a transaction? The marketplace for the most part does this for you. The artist directs buyers to the marketplace page for their project and the marketplace pulls information directly from the blockchain.

If you want additional security you can manually lookup the history of a project on etherscan. Why would an artist intentionally damage their community and legitimacy. Same reason anybody does? Bags of money. Personal Opinion: By selling NFTs - metadata about the art and not the art itself - their integrity as an artist is already somewhat suspect in my mind.

Timestamp shows which one came first. That doesn't make the following ones invalid. At best, it's like a numbered print. The point is, there's no scarcity built in to an NFT. Scarcity builds far more value than a position in line. In other words, the NFT adds nothing of value since you already have to establish an out of band trust chain with the artist.

If you are actually interested in how NFT's work, interesting projects using them, or just want to have a conversation around the topic that isn't just snarky morons jacking each other off, I highly encourage you to engage some of these communities on twitter, telegram, or discord. Its a really fun space right now and there are lots of projects looking for solid web devs if you are in the mood for a challenging side project.

SrslyJosh 6 days ago parent next [—]. Then you should explain what they are. If you can't or won't , why should we care? If it's not a scam or cult, then just publish something on the web. I'm not a blogger or evangelist, plenty of people are and discuss this daily.

Go find them on Twitter if you care, or not, makes no difference to me. There are hundreds of whitepapers on the topic freely available all over the web. Every project worth following does this and there is no shortage of it. Honestly your comment is exactly what I meant, just pretentious HN users who can't be bothered to do a cursory search on the topic and just want to be spoon fed information.

I honestly don't think this is the big "gotcha" that people seem to think it is. An NFT can be traced back to the creator. So you don't have the same history or satisfaction of giving back to the creator of the NFT. I think people on here are getting too caught up in the technical. I can print out a shiny charizard pokemon card but it isn't the same thing is it? A better way to think about NFTs is exchanging a monetary gift to the creator of something you enjoy for a collectable.

In this case it is bit for bit identical. My inkjet printer Charizard would never pass as real. People can make very convincing copies of a charizard. Yet people put effort and money into making sure they are getting an authentic card.

Authenticity and supporting original creators is important to people. You could do that with movies, music, art, games, anything digital.

NFTs are a scam, but this is completely missing the point. Unless the point is that every digital property is a scam. You're conflating two wildly different things: buying "ownership" and buying "license". NFTs are represented to people as buying ownership of something, as if you are the one true owner of whatever-it-is and it is yours to do with what you will, including selling or re-selling it. Most digital content think films, music, games is not bought, it is licensed.

You buy the license which grants you some rights to consume it, but there are also restrictions thou shalt not redistribute, re-sell etc and those rights are often not irrevocable. TheProbes 6 days ago prev next [—]. I own a cryptopunk NFT. TheProbes 6 days ago root parent next [—].

Number go up. And so I can flex online. Do you see how much that bad boy costs? We destroyed our planet for this? This is quite a ridiculous situation. Blockchains produce blocks that get mined at regular intervals regardless of how much data or value is transferred with each block. The dubious argument is that since blockchains spend electricity to mine blocks that means they are destroying the planet. Even if you believe this, your fight should be against dirty power plants and end there.

But meanwhile, Ethereum is migrating to proof of stake before next summer and will become I'm sure that we'll still hear the trope though. The only thing that scares me is the size.. That's a lot of jpegs.. Ignorant question: Can downloading the torrent result in charges of 'digital theft' and given the 'value' of the file result in a felony? TrackerFF 7 days ago parent next [—]. Let's say you create some image, and claim ownership over it.

Would it be theft if someone views that image, and thus saves it? I can see that it would be a copyright violation if someone actively hosts that exact picture. Shouldn't be much different from hosting copyrighted audio or video clips. But then again, if you host that picture on some public website - just the mere fact that someone views it, would also mean that their computer probably has already stored it?

With that said, I do think that sharing copyrighted material, goes under digital theft. I'd imagine that this varies from country to country. What is theft in one country, may not be the same in another. SuoDuanDao 7 days ago parent prev next [—]. I doubt it. The more people want copies of something, the more valuable the original would probably be.

No, it's the same thing. No, because you wouldn't have actually stolen anything. The content of nfts are public; they kinda have to be to live on the Blockchain. You actually need the wallet that owns the nft in order to prove ownership. In other words, you have to steal someone's wallet to take their nfts. NFTs are bigger than the size of the Ethereum blockchain reply.

Holy moly, twenty whole terabytes of this mess! So, is the infohash on that page being a discography for a Swedish rock group called November an Easter Egg, or just a random copy-n-paste? Very nice. I hope this makes some news and show people more clearly what they are actually spending money on. Do you think that people don't know that a picture on the internet can be freely downloaded or screenshoted? I have been tinkering in the NFT space, yet I don't see any particular use cases affecting the world.

If these images were stored on the blockchain, would that make a difference? ASalazarMX 7 days ago parent next [—]. None at all, since those "unique" assets can be copied freely because the blockchain is public. I'm really puzzled about why aren't they publishing a low-res copy of the image, and sending the buyer of the NFT the unpublished high-res version. That way only the buyer and the artist would have that file, and by keeping it secret they could make it rare, albeit not necessarily valuable.

SrslyJosh 6 days ago root parent next [—]. Same reason they're not assigning copyright or granting a commercial license as part of the sale -- it's just a scam, and those things aren't necessary for the scam to function. And because the marks think that they're gonna get rich off owning a blockchain pog with a link to a monkey jpeg, the art doesn't have to be good, either. A lot of projects actually do assign a license to the sale. Deestan 7 days ago parent next [—].

Well, here is mine: cafced2bfc97f6c7db It says I own Banksy's hat. Now, the site I bought it from has since gone offline and the person I bought it from deleted his email account and I lost the paper receipt, but there's my certificate of authenticity. Or rather, the receipt of your purchase of a link. KZerda 7 days ago parent prev next [—]. You have a url that purports to be a certificate of authenticity.

What happens to that certificate of authenticity when the site goes down, or gets sold to someone who decides to replace all the images there with poop emojis? Same thing that happens to all my art when my house burns down I don't like NFTs personally wasteful, scam-ridden, investor bro culture , but if you compare them to how art has worked for the past century or more it's not so different. If you own a Banksy the certificate of authenticity is far more valuable than the actual artwork, which is easily reproduced.

It's all kind of silly. Same for your movie collection. The movie streaming industry is a scam! If they promise you to own that piece of media, and then later make it unavailable for you, then yeah, that's a scam.

Have you gotten it graded yet? NFTs are pure capitalist ideology. They introduce artificial scarcity for no good reason, without providing any actual value. You can have the exact same bytes without an NFT backing it up and have functionally the same goods - as demonstrated here.

Cryptowarriors will come along and say something about how the NFT proves "ownership" or "provenance", but that's just ideological blindness.

All NFTs do is wrap an pointless market layer around a digital good, for no reason and with no benefit to anyone, while using up electricity and killing the planet to power the insanity. Ideology at its worst. Ever bought a game or a movie yet? Hacker News new past comments ask show jobs submit. ASalazarMX 7 days ago root parent next [—] And any other person can have an identical painting, but without the receipt.

SuoDuanDao 7 days ago root parent next [—] But doesn't every revolution start out with a niche of early adopters that see the potential in something where everyone else just sees the clunky first prototype?

SuoDuanDao 7 days ago root parent next [—] Well sure Uehreka 7 days ago root parent next [—] But the thing is, I get the historical significance of the Mona Lisa and Mickey Mantle.

The-Bus 7 days ago root parent prev next [—] There's also only one Mona Lisa. ASalazarMX 7 days ago root parent prev next [—] The NFT is detached from the actual object it represents, it has perceived value only with the people that accept that it represents some kind of ownership.

IntelMiner 7 days ago root parent next [—] How can you definitively prove that? Winsaucerer 7 days ago root parent prev next [—] Screenshotting the Mona Lisa or printing out a signed Mickey Mantle card is not a good analogy to copying an NFT. Winsaucerer 7 days ago root parent next [—] It seems to me more analogous to a certificate, since there's nothing like a signature embedded in the image itself that only one person has.

NicoJuicy 7 days ago root parent prev next [—] Comparing a digital cartoon of a monkey as usual with a painted and original Mona Lisa is just wrong.

NoGravitas 7 days ago root parent prev next [—] I mean, the collectible theory can be right, and NFTs can still be for laundering money and finding suckers. Macha 7 days ago root parent next [—] You can't escape the contracts though. Grustaf 7 days ago root parent next [—] No, that's not it.

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